Arrogance & Disdain in the Face of Defeat

Submitted by NY2TX on Fri, 06/19/2009 - 4:48am.
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Thomas verdict: willful infringement, $1.92 million penalty

As for Thomas-Rasset, she appeared shaken by the verdict but didn't blame the jury. "They did their job," she said, "I'm not going to hold it against them." She added, though, that the recording industry would never collect the money. "Good luck trying to get it from me... it's like squeezing blood from a turnip."

The playlist of this enjoyable music:

Guns N Roses "Welcome to the Jungle"; "November Rain"
Vanessa Williams "Save the Best for Last"
Janet Jackson "Let’s What Awhile"
Gloria Estefan "Here We Are"; "Coming Out of the Heart"; "Rhythm is Gonna Get You"
Goo Goo Dolls "Iris"
Journey "Faithfully"; "Don’t Stop Believing"
Sara McLachlan "Possession"; "Building a Mystery"
Aerosmith "Cryin’"
Linkin Park "One Step Closer"
Def Leppard "Pour Some Sugar on Me"
Reba McEntire "One Honest Heart"
Bryan Adams "Somebody"
No Doubt "Bathwater"; "Hella Good"; "Different People"
Sheryl Crow "Run Baby Run"
Richard Marx "Now and Forever"
Destiny’s Child "Bills, Bills, Bills"
Green Day "Basket Case"

Submitted by threew on Fri, 06/19/2009 - 12:03pm.

That message from the court and the jury seems clear.

Checking my hard drive,

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Submitted by NY2TX on Fri, 06/19/2009 - 12:35pm.

It is controversial, and it will be interesting to see the reactions of people from all sides. As I am certain you appreciate, I am a strict believer in the DMCA and in the protection of property rights of all varieties. Others, of course will disagree.

But IP theft is IP theft. And while I know that the products involved are hard copy DVDs (and not off the air or copies of originals knockoffs), it is a well known fact that counterfeit DVDs of movies and music are used by terrorist organizations like Hezbollah to finance their operations.

I can't find a way to draw a line on this issue. BTW, I am certain that the court's decision will be appealed and reviewed. Who knows?

Submitted by threew on Fri, 06/19/2009 - 3:11pm.

A look at the potential defense case in appeal:
http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2009/04/free-software-foun...

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Submitted by NY2TX on Fri, 06/19/2009 - 3:17pm.

Probably so, but IP rights are still private property.

Submitted by threew on Fri, 06/19/2009 - 5:23pm.

Yes, so far ;~)

However, if the opposition can cut the teeth from existing laws by imposing limits on or negating entirely damage awards, it effectively means defacto deregulation. No big damages; no lawyers.

That is my analysis of intent in the linked brief.

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Submitted by JohnFx on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 8:53am.

It mentions their offer to settle with her in this news story, but doesn't cite the amount. In a separate report on the radio, I heard the settlement offer was for only a few thousand dollars.

She shoulda taken the deal instead of being so belligerent about it.

Submitted by NY2TX on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 8:58am.

But you see her belligerence is an illustration of her belief (shared by others) that she shouldn't have to pay anything or respect the rights of the artists in the first place.

Submitted by threew on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 9:30am.

In reading the available details of the trial, it appears the jury's response and award was, at least to a large degree, based on the defendants arrogance, disregard for the rule of law, and outright lies through several iterations. In this case, the award was based more on the perception of the jury that the defendant was reprehensible, incorrigible, and unapologetic than on any arguments made by RIAA. That jury was angry and gave the defendant the maximum fine.

12 peers did this, not the music industry.

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Submitted by NY2TX on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 9:39am.

Based on the "defendants arrogance, disregard for the rule of law, and outright lies through several iterations."

I can't imagine that! Who would think that someone who stole from someone else would be belligerent or arrogant in her own defense. "Hell no! I won't pay!"

Submitted by zratchet on Tue, 06/23/2009 - 9:57am.

The DMCA is only 11 years old (plenty of copyrights survived before it) and it offers a monopoly (illegal, right? MS etc aren't allowed to have monopolies, but when it helps the big companies, its all right?) on analog copy protection.

It's been stated several times in various articles that it may not have been her.

If you don't have the money then of course you'll be angry and say you won't pay.

Be sensible.

Submitted by threew on Tue, 06/23/2009 - 10:08am.

DMCA has nothing to do with monopolies. It is (primarily) the US implementation of two 1996 treaties from the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) criminalizing circumvention of copyright protection technology.

Specifically: It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as Digital Rights Management or DRM) that control access to copyrighted works. It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself. In addition, the DMCA heightens the penalties for copyright infringement on the Internet. Passed on October 12, 1998 by a unanimous vote in the U.S. Senate and signed into law by President Bill Clinton on October 28, 1998, the DMCA amended Title 17 of the United States Code to extend the reach of copyright, while limiting the liability of the providers of on-line services for copyright infringement by their users. ~Source: Wikipedia

DCMA makes it illegal to hack into other people's protected digital media. This is "our" protection (the people who do creative work") against "them" (the people who steal our stuff and our ability to make a living).

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Submitted by zratchet on Tue, 06/23/2009 - 10:18am.

Also from Wikipedia:

The second portion [of] ... Title I: WIPO Copyright and Performances and Phonograms Treaties Implementation Act ... required that all analog video recorders have support for a specific form of copy prevention commonly known as Macrovision built in, giving Macrovision an effective monopoly on the analog video-recording copy-prevention market.

Why did you choose to ignore this section, or did you not see it?

Also: (yes, I'm taking from my industry because its my area of expertise)

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/4020/pc_game_piracy_why_bother_wit...
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23894
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23570

DRM doesn't hurt pirates, it hurts consumers, and resellers.

Is Gamestop a "pirate organization" ?

Submitted by threew on Tue, 06/23/2009 - 10:44am.

The protection afforded (which has been the topic of this conversation) by DCMA is directed at the creators (us folks who make a living innovating). In this sense, the only monopoly on rights is granted to the creator.

Not ignoring anything, simply sticking to the topic.

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Submitted by zratchet on Tue, 06/23/2009 - 10:59am.

Still, DRM, spurred on by the DMCA and other initiatives, hurts consumers, and companies at least in a PR sense.

There have been several boycotts of DRM'd products. Companies are losing money, and reputation, due to DRM.

How is this a good thing?

~M

Submitted by threew on Tue, 06/23/2009 - 11:31am.

It's a good point. DRM as currently implemented is certainly not the "best" solution. On the other hand it may be, arguably, better than nothing at all. There's a lot of room for improvement but, as mentioned previously, ignoring and breaking laws is anarchy, not improvement.

There are a lot of different perspectives on this and related issues. However, there is one perspective that drives the whole bus: People who make their living from music, art, graphic design, and other creative activities that may be distributed for sale via digital (or any other media).

A solution that kills the corporate "monsters" involved but leaves the people who earn a living hung out to dry is not a solution.

A solution that empowers the hackers and criminals who steal but leaves the people who earn a living hung out to dry is not a solution.

In this discussion there is a huge preponderance of opinion that simply overlooks the fact that the people who make music, photographs, art, design,and technology are only able to earn a living because of the protections in place for what has come to be known as "intellectual property." For these people, it's not "intellectual" at all; it is food on the table, roof over the head, the ability to live, raise a family, and do what they love to do.

This is primarily "about" the survival of individuals and small businesses.

That's the baseline from which this argument and discussion should start. Any solution that does not allow common, ordinary people and small businesses to earn an honest living from their creations is simply bankrupt.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it ;~)

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Submitted by zratchet on Tue, 06/23/2009 - 11:35am.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/59243

Here's what the biggest company in the game industry is doing.

In the new business models, piracy isn't so big a problem because in order to unlock parts of the product, you have to sign up online with the publisher... and how likely are pirates to do that?

The music industry could make some of their content unlockable...

Submitted by threew on Tue, 06/23/2009 - 11:45am.

Music producers can lock up parts of CD's. Artists and photographers can impose digital watermarks. Software can be released with "disabled" features or time boxed limits. Writers have other options.

Hackers and criminals eventually break any technological solution (because there's money in it) and that's a given. Not that technology shouldn't be explored, used, and improved, it's just not the entire solution.

Unless there are laws in place with severe penalties (real teeth), it is pointless. Fines and jail time along with the best security technology can deliver.

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