Sharp Skirts Offline

Sep 30 2010 7:00 pm
Sep 30 2010 9:00 pm

RSVP at Eventbrite - http://sharpskirtsaustinmax.eventbrite.com/

Raise a glass with Sharp Skirts! Join us Underground at Max's Wine Dive to celebrate the launch of our interactive community site, set to go live September 1st.

We'll socialize a little, update each other on our businesses, then brainstorm ideas and plans for future Offline meetings - all fortified by some great Max's food and wine. Inspired ideas for upcoming meetings may even win a few prizes.

We have an unmovable limit of 40 people so RSVP quickly - we sell out every time!

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matt's picture

You all have fun tonight!

You all have fun tonight!

matt's picture

@carlat - No problem :)

@carlat - No problem :) This isn't hijacking at all. That's why the comments are available most everywhere.

Jane Prusakova's picture

No skirt -- no service

No skirt -- no service online community? I think I am out.

I am very much for women gaining respect and visibility in the marketplace, technology industry and elsewhere. But gender-based organizations are a thing of the past, the point is to work together and succeed across gender lines.

Jane Prusakova
Senior Consultant at Improving Enterprises
LinkedIn Info

carlat's picture

Sorry you feel that way,

Sorry you feel that way, Jane. We'd love to have your expertise represented. Give us a brief glance once the community launches and I think you'll see that we're not your typical womens' group. But if it's not your cup of tea, c'est la vie!

carlat's picture

Re #2, we'll have a Sharpen

Re #2, we'll have a Sharpen a Skirt program, in which mentors can buy a year's membership for a young woman. (We're launching our beta community site Sept. 1.) So stay tuned for that.

Your questions have given me a kernel of an idea, Wayne. We've always said that we want a 'But I'm a Guy!' button on the homepage, but haven't figured out where that leads to. What if it led to a 'Skirts and More' group (or some witty title) in the forum discussions, where conversations could happen between genders? Or any other ideas on this front? What sort of involvement/benefit would you want from a group like ours?

P.S. Sorry for hijacking your events page, Matt. : )

HireThisStar's picture

Rather than letters to the

Rather than letters to the editor, I'd rather read Sharp Skirts' members thoughts on these topics:

1. Have you personally ever experienced anti-female prejudice in academia or the workplace? For instance, I've encountered age discrimination a handful of times, and not just recently; and at least once, anti-male discrimination in recruiting at a particular department staffed by very long-time "good ol' gals" (Nortel Networks).

2. What will Sharp Skirts do to encourage school girls and under-employed women to widen their career choices? For instance, there's a Dallas chapter of women engineers that provides general mentoring as well as math and science tutoring services to junior-high and high-school girls.

3. Carly Fiorina: scapegoated, under-appreciated visionary; or failed, over-reaching grasper?
-subtopic: Do Fiorina and Meg Whitman have anything in common, learnable and replicable by women, besides traits common to all CEOs of either gender?

4. How to justify protests against all-male organizations, such as the previously mentioned Bohemian Grove Club, while maintaining and even expanding all-women groups such as Sharp Skirts? Or just ignore the dichotomy? Or accept without protest the rights of both to exist?
-subtopic: Do gender-exclusive organizations perpetuate pay inequities? That is, are the Bohemian Grove boys consciously or subconsciously encouraged to suppress women in the workforce?

5. If you can wear a pencil skirt, and belong to a group called Sharp Skirts, how do you keep your pencil skirt sharp? And is the mechanical Ever-Sharp Pencil the tool of choice?

:-)

Wayne C. Vermillion
Instructional Designer/Project Manager

SimpleCityLife's picture

Hi, Wayne. What a fantastic

Hi, Wayne. What a fantastic question you propose about all males vs all female groups. I have often thought about this topic in regards to race...as in there are all black colleges but an all white college would cause quite the stir. Even though, I know all black colleges must accept other races, it still makes you think.

In my spare time, I lead a monthly intellectual discussion and dinner group, and I would love to explore this topic. Maybe I can organize it and invite you to attend, so you could help me dive into this issue. Whether sex, or race, or religious beliefs, etc.

I don't have an answer to justify protests against all male organizations. I suspect fear causes protest...which I think is the same cause for justification of an all-female organization.

I have meet Carla. She's fantastic and very passionate about Sharp Skirts. Her passion focuses on women, so naturally she has set up her organization as such.

Crazy enough, I also lead a group called the Be Feminine Project. This group has never excluded men, but naturally, men rarely attend. I suspect that if Carla were to open up the group to men, the same thing would happen. Men and women process information differently, so it would be my (uneducated and researched) guess that men would find more value in organizations that support their way of learning and assimilating information.

Carla-Thanks for posting this thread on Twitter. I think you're doing a wonderful job to support women entrepreneurs. I praise your work and support you in your decisions regarding this group.

Wayne- Fantastic questions and inquiries. Let's chat about exploring this quandary in a fun, thought-provoking environment.

Matt- I agree with you whole-heartedly.

Jane- Interesting perspective. I would love to hear more. Maybe you would join a discussion that I would love to involve Wayne in.

Jackie- I don't understand how Wayne's question is insulting. I would love to better understand your perspective, as well.

FASCINATING GUYS! ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING.

Misty Funk, Simple City Life

Jane Prusakova's picture

Misty, it's wonderful to

Misty,

it's wonderful to have groups that are oriented toward women - there's not enough of them. As long as these groups do not exclude people based on gender. If few men choose to join - more power to those men, who figured out that they need to know how to work with women in order to get ahead.

Judging high-powered women as women, rather than as powerful people, is not insulting in itself - but it does limit the discussion. Can we compare Carly and Meg to Robert Nardelli (former CEO of Home Depot, tenure of just 7years) or
Stanley O'Neal (former CEO of Merrill Lynch)?

Jane Prusakova
Senior Consultant at Improving Enterprises
LinkedIn Info

gdd's picture

Misty, I said Wayne's

Misty,

I said Wayne's question was insulting because he raises the issue of whether Carly is a "scapegoated, under-appreciated visionary; or failed, over-reaching grasper" simply because she is a successful woman in a heavily-male dominated profession and field. Why can't she just be a successful executive and debate her merits and accomplishments without regard to gender?

Jackie

SimpleCityLife's picture

Oh, I see. I didn't read it

Oh, I see. I didn't read it that way, but I see your perspective. I agree that Carla is warm, loving, and supporting women in their desire to better their futures. Good question. I don't have an answer to it.

Thanks for taking the time to clarify, Jackie.

Misty Funk, Simple City Life
http:www.SimpleCityLife.com

gdd's picture

Hi Wayne, I'm new to door64,

Hi Wayne,

I'm new to door64, but I heard about this debate and wanted to tackle your questions.

1. I've been working for almost 18 years as a staff member at UT Austin, as well as now freelancing in the tech field. In my time at UT I have most definitely experienced sexism in the workplace on a number of occasions, including just this past month. Although it's not ubiquitous, it definitely exists, particularly from some male administrators who treat female staff with less regard and respect than they treat our male counterparts. I've also noticed a few occasions where women I know have been skipped over for professional advancement or perks in favor of their male colleagues, despite having more experience and education.

2. Sharp Skirts is relatively new, but from meeting Carla and others in the organization, I get the distinct impression that mentoring is going to be a high priority for the group. Indeed, as someone who has a new business, at our last meeting I felt incredibly supported and encouraged by the other women in the group, and left feeling inspired and empowered. Right now the focus is on helping fellow members, but I can definitely see it becoming a group that provides education and mentoring opportunities to young women who are not yet entrepreneurs themselves.

3. With all due respect, this question is insulting and demeaning, because you ask it only because Carly is female. It does, however, highlight the continuing need for groups such as Sharp Skirts.

4. All-male organizations exist to maintain the status quo: to provide opportunities and networking for men who already have access to the greatest resources and seats of power. All-female organizations such as Sharp Skirts offer mentoring and support for women who want to challenge societal norms and expectations and break into what have traditionally been all-male domains. They also offer nurturing and safe spaces for women with opportunities at all levels of the organization without invisible ceilings or restrictions. I can speak from experience, as I attended an all-female high school (not a boarding school) and witnessed first-hand the empowerment and opportunities that such an experience afforded me that would not have existed at the same level in a coed school.

Believe it or not, even in this day and age some men are threatened by successful and confident women, and even more so by the idea that a group of these women might have something to talk about when men aren't around.

5. See #3.

Jackie Dana
Getting Dirty Designs

matt's picture

Personally, I've not taken

Personally, I've not taken issue with groups wanting to form around commonality, be it topic / interests, gender, religion, etc. After all, door64 is not all-inclusive; I make it a point to only admit technology professionals, and I actively enforce it. Although "diversity" is definitely a politically-correct buzzword in our society, I assert that groups don't become cohesive unless there's a common background / interest / theme to unite them. Diversity alone has never united anyone.

That said, this does require that groups are accepted both ways. If women-only groups can exist without prejudice, so should men-only groups. As Wayne pointed out, that has not always been the case.

HireThisStar's picture

It's ironic that many famous

It's ironic that many famous businessmen, politicians, judges, etc., have been publicly chastised and even forced to resign from all-male groups such as the Bohemian Grove Club.

Granted that courts have repeatedly upheld the rights of bars to offer "Ladies Night" drink specials, and granted that there are organizations such as women engineers, the irony of having it both ways seems especially stinging when I encounter it here in one of the more open, welcoming groups online, Door64.

Now breaking for coffee (made by a man this morning) and to don my flame-resistant suit...

Wayne C. Vermillion
Instructional Designer/Project Manager

carlat's picture

Your comment is ironically

Your comment is ironically timed, Wayne, considering the research just published this morning. A British study predicts that its female citizens won't earn equal pay to men until the year 2067. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/aug/19/equal-pay-women-2057

I doubt you'll be the last to voice this complaint though, so you've inspired me to put some thought around it. If you're interested, I'll post a link to the response here in the comments.

Carla Thompson
CEO and Founder
Sharp Skirts

matt's picture

Alrighty! If I don't wear a

Alrighty! If I don't wear a skirt, can I still participate? :)

carlat's picture

: ) This one's ladies only

: ) This one's ladies only but we are planning an Austin-wide party for the fall!